Campers,
I’ve linked the Chat comments from Mission Local on the matter cause it just makes such fascinating reading.
Hope you agree and thanks to ML and Will Jarrett:
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Public Space is better than Private Ownershipsays:
April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
h. brownsays:
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
Brisketsays:
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.Irish Scarlettsays:
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
Williamsays:
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
Bubobubosays:
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!Johnsays:
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.Missiongalsays:
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
SteveGsays:
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
Miguel Lopezsays:
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.Julessays:
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
Concerned Citizensays:
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.Rocky415says:
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
marcossays:
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
Yaw Deisays:
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.Rudysays:
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.Kimsays:
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.Linda Y Lagunas Atwoodsays:
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
Lynaesays:
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
h.
April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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April 25, 2023 at 10:57 am
I continue to find this saga so fascinating. It’s a sociological experiment on how our species interacts with each other when there is no “law” that establishes “ownership.” This is actually a good argument as to why an arbiter like government is necessary.IMO, between the three groups, Mission Greenway has the best idea and practice of how to use this parcel. Gardening and a public green space benefits the entire neighborhood. Private parking does not as it only benefits individual owners and takes up space which could be used for community benefit. The “need for parking for local businesses” is not a strong argument IMO.
The biggest problem I see though is that when you have people like Scott, Rudy, and Christina interacting with each other, nothing is going to get solved. Because people like Scott come off as a self-righteous hardheaded prick, while Rudy is a horrible asshole for the way he treats and intimidates other people. And the worst of all is Christina and her husband for calling the police and making false accusations like saying this is dangerous for the preschoolers. That’s a waste of time, tax payer money, and puts people in danger. (Truly the police are the best people in this saga for the way that they’ve handled this bullshit.) Nothing is going to get solved with these personalities especially when each thinks they have a right and the other doesn’t.
The way I see it, it’s Mission Greenway gardening vs local businesses parking. Who should “win” depends on how you feel about colonization, climate change, “private property,” green space, cars etc which makes this battle a portrait for the conflicts happening in San Francisco and the rest of the world.
Anyway, I think that the city should claim the land, and make it a green public garden/park and be done with it.
April 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Will,Thanks for covering this as I’ve been a fan of Monkey Brains for over 20 years when there were only 3 of them wiring the Gonzalez for Mayor Campign.
I watched them compete with the Google boys when they personally ran the company and ‘bribed’ Electronic Frontier with a million dollar donation which helped them convince Peskin that Microsoft should do the City wiring.
They never did.
Just shut Rudy and Alex out.
Rudy never complained and just kept on trucking, giving the most bandwidth for the least cash to people like me.
Tens of thousands of us.
The Pre-School is also a City Treasure.
They, like Monkey Brains aid thousands of San Franciscans with their work.
The Greenway people just want to fight.
They need it and there are many people like that here.
If only they targeted their energy in a positive direction or, at least, did not disrupt the Pre-School and Affordable High-Speed Internet businesses which pay taxes on the land and contribute much to the Public Good.
The Greenway people just want publicity and are selfishly inhibiting legitimate concerns.
Go Niners !!
Draft starts today and we don’t pick til #99 on Friday.
Isn’t that Bosa’s number ?
h.
April 24, 2023 at 6:57 pm
Picking a fight with a preschool – nice move. As if there weren’t already enough reasons for parents choose to raise their kids outside of SF.
April 24, 2023 at 4:17 pm
“Shared space” in San Francisco means “space for me and not for thee.” A group that thinks that it has the moral high ground establishes squatter’s rights and then denies (or makes unpleasant) the space to everyone else. This has happened with the slow streets, the bike lanes, the parklets, and the homeless encampments.I’m familiar with the Greenway Group via social media. They come across as aggressive belligerent, and in “your face.” and pugilistic. Who actually owns the land? Monkeybrains paid the taxes. Would the Greenway be for everyone’s use or exclusively for its club? It sounds like they have commandeered the space for their own.
There has to be a compromise solution. Is Community Boards still active?
April 24, 2023 at 4:54 pm
They “commandeered” the space because there were two private businesses claiming the land for themselves and trying to lock others out. It _should_ be public space, not simply the Greenway crew’s, which is why it would be good if the city came forth and actually claimed it rather than let a couple of business try to steal it from the public for parking.Monkeybrains/Mission Kids have no natural right to this land, and it’s pretty sleazy of them to pretend otherwise.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
and neither does Greenway. King Solomon solution?
April 24, 2023 at 3:25 pm
The Greenway Group is a bunch of posers. They can’t sniff the toes of Mission Kids regarding community work. Rather than focusing their energy on truly building or collaborating with a community, they want to duke it out with a preschool that continues to touch kids at the beginning stages of development?!
April 24, 2023 at 3:15 pm
The school and the warehouse are just asking for trouble when they engage in self help. Calling the cops in a local gardener to enforce property rights you don’t have is just over the top. It seems that the school and the warehouse knew the garden was ongoing when they moved to the neighborhood. Groups like Mission Greenway are what make San Francisco special.
April 24, 2023 at 3:06 pm
On the side in question part of the fence is iron part chain link.Additionally, the greenway does not own any buildings or land adjacent and have a garden in a park across the street.
This is clearly an attempt to make a clubhouse for a few greenway members. Not cool at all.
April 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
Putting up an iron fence to keep the guerrilla gardening group out sounds like the least Rudy Rucker-like option available.C’mon Monkeybrains. You used to be the most cyberpunk ISP in the city. Don’t go all corporate on us.
April 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Haven’t Punks always battled Hippies? Anyhow, seems to me that entitled, rigid, militant, colonizer Karens and Kyles are way more “the man” than a preschool and a longstanding local business that basically gives Internet away. Time to focus on what is important and not let self appointed community people strangle our city for their self-interests disguised as “a community effort”.
April 25, 2023 at 5:30 am
This is some freaky weird take. Giving internet away, you’ve gotta be kidding me. More parking less gardens, that’s your take?
April 25, 2023 at 10:08 am
Steve, Steve,Have you ever seen the work Gomez Iron Works does ?!!?
It’s sculture, dude.
And, y’all keep calling Monkey Brains a ‘warehouse’.
They are, in fact, the most successful provider of low-cost high-speed band width in the City and have been for two decades.
Hippies can succeed you know altho it is rare to this degree.
This is not a ‘warehouse’ in the normal sense of the word.
Every vehicle readied and deployed from Monkey Brains advances the communications capacity for San Franciscans.
I was shocked to see they’d survived this long, let alone thrived.
To the Greenway people:
Rudy and Alex fought Google and survived.
They’ll survive you.
Go Warriors !!
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April 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
Man, people will really do anything to keep their free, private, parking lot they don’t own.
April 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
It’s been parking… you would know if you lived here. StevieG they have a business to run…. Welcome to reality.
April 24, 2023 at 10:34 am
Everything that these entitled urbanists touch turns into the opposite of what they promise. They are so high on their own supply, so sure of themselves, oblivious to the power imbalance that falls in their favor, and of the evilness of anyone who disagrees that poor outcomes are all but guaranteed.Odds are that the the bulk of them will be raising children in the suburbs in five years time after they grow out of their urbanist phase.
April 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
What a weak statement from Ronen’s office. “We’re extremely concerned, but we’re not going to proactively do anything about it” is basically what that boils down to.
If they were actually concerned, they would at least help to navigate the core legal question: if the owner of the land can’t be determined and the parcel has been unused for years, who gets to determine its use / can the city buy it?
If there’s a clear opportunity for public benefit, I really think the city should help to facilitate a reasonable solution.
April 24, 2023 at 11:15 am
Ronen’s office did reach out Rec and Park. Taking over land for parks is in Rec and Park’s purview; however, they have a long list of already and the spur does not make the cut.
April 24, 2023 at 9:12 am
The neighborhood can’t stand this entitled Greenway group. It’s a small group of punks who pretend to represent the community. Their gardening efforts are trash as well.
April 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
Oh yes, parked cars are nicer than raised planter beds. /sarcasm
I’ll take plants over cars any day. And think that a community garden is best for this parcel, as none of the others own it. Just how to get the city to designate it is the catch. Ronen needs to find a better solution.
April 24, 2023 at 6:59 pm
You had you chance to negotiate in a civil and reasonable manner and you chose to be complete and utter jerks. Fuera Mission Greenway!
April 24, 2023 at 11:46 pm
Hi! I’m part of the neighborhood. I live a block away and have done so for 15 years. I am part of the Greenway group. Multiple of our members and supporters live within 1-2 blocks of the parcel.My partner witnessed the aftermath of the 2nd police call. The Mission Kids director’s husband wasted the time of six police officers screaming about someone who stood there peacefully. After the cops left, said husband threatened to kill the person in question, called Tree Rubenstein (a local do-gooder for decades) a “trust fund asshole,” and then tipped over a planting bed in the garden, killing all the seedlings inside.
Mission Kids lied and said they’d all be walking or biking their kids to school. Now they claim they need all this parking. Do any of them even live here? If they needed a private compound to hide their kids away in, why did they build their space in a busy urban area with a vacant lot next door?
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